Original text in "black"
My response in "blue"
SDA beliefs in "red"
This is my understanding of SDA history: I wrote this back in 1993 to answer some questions which were brought to me by a young woman I had just recently met. She happened to be your sister _____. It is of necessity brief, with emphasis on only the "high points," and the few references here on the Sabbath are because that was the real subject of our discussions at that time. Later, I used it in my church as a Sunday (!) School lesson.
"This cult had its beginnings in the early nineteenth century under a man named William Miller (1782-1849), and later it was propagated by Ellen White, whose writings (The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, etc.) are revered as "scripture" by "Adventists." They were often called "Millerites" back in the 1800's. Their doctrinal beliefs have been changed several times over the years, as all cults have to adapt themselves to the various environments in which they find themselves.
To call the SDA church a cult is a display of ignorance about the church and its beliefs. The SDA fundamental beliefs are available on the following URL
http://www.adventist.org/pages/frameset_belief.html, Any sincere person will agree that these believe do not fit the definition of a cult. But to called a member of a cult does not bother me because I believe that if Jesus was alive today He together with his disciples were going to be called a cult. That’s how the Jews regarded them, so maybe there is virtue in being called a cult.
The original position taught was that no man could be saved unless he kept all ten of the Ten Commandments, including the Jewish Old Testament Sabbath (Friday 6 PM to Saturday 6 PM)*. This was later modified to the teaching that a man was saved by grace through faith in Christ, BUT he must keep the Old Testament Jewish Sabbath or he would lose his salvation. This was altered again to the teaching that a man was saved by grace through faith, BUT he would keep the Old Testament Jewish Sabbath if he really LOVED Jesus Christ (Jn. 15:10-14).
Adventist believes that only God has absolute wisdom and knowledge, and God continues to reveal Himself to us. As an individual I grow each day in his knowledge and love. I personally find it difficult to judge other Christians, because I believe that the essence of Christianity is doing your best in living according the amount of light that you have received. If today I found out that gambling is wrong, I will then change my ways. As the church come together we bring together what God has revealed to us. Unlike other Churches where God only revealed Himself to the founding fathers, we believe that if God reveal something to us today we need to follow God not the founding fathers.
The main publications of the cult come from the Review and Herald Publishing Co. in Washington D.C., the Southern Publishing Co. in Nashville, and the Pacific Publishing Co. in Los Angeles. Their most popular book is called Bible Readings for the Home. In it you are told that the Second Advent has already occurred; you just missed it!
I am sorry to say that that’s very far from the truth, here I quote belief number 24 in the SDA fundamental beliefs.
The Second Coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour's coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. When He returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and together with the righteous living will be glorified and taken to heaven, but the unrighteous will die. The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ's coming is imminent. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; Matt. 24:14; Rev. 1:7; Matt. 24:43, 44; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Rev. 14:14-20; 19:11-21; Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; 1 Thess. 5:1-6.)
The White Throne Judgment is now taking place; you are just not aware of it!
Unfortunately you are taking too many things out of context, the very term ‘White Throne Judgement’ is not found in the Adventist teaching. I suppose you are talking about the ‘Investigative Judgement’ this base on the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, In order to understand this prophecy you need to understand the OT sanctuary setup. It is beyond the scope of this exercise to explain this in detail.
And Christ's Millennial reign (Rev. 20:1-5) will actually BE SATAN REIGNING ON THIS EARTH FOR ONE THOUSAND YEARS.
Another misrepresentation of the SDA beliefs: Here is belief number 26 of the Fundamental SDA beliefs: 26.
The Millennium and the End of Sin: The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. (Rev. 20; 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18, 19.)
The Adventists teach soul sleep (as do the Jehovah's Witnesses)
- I do not believe that the spirit of labeling people can be the spirit of God. Adventist will not stop believing in what God’s says because there is a group that is called a ‘cult’ that is believing in the same things. I suppose you are one of those who believe that when a person dies the body goes to the ground whilst the soul goes to heaven. Listens to what the Bible says not man’s tradition:
- Gen 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." What does that mean? Dust + God ‘s breath of life = living soul. There is no such distinction of body and soul. You are either a living soul or you are dead, which means you do not have God’s breath anymore.
- Ps 104:29 "Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust."
- Ecc 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
- We will not see God in some form of spirit but in flesh, Job 19:25-17 "For I know [that] my redeemer liveth, and [that] he shall stand at the latter [day] upon the earth: And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; [though] my reins be consumed within me."
- To know when and how please read 1 Thess 4: 13-18
and salvation by faith and works
- Another misrepresentation of the SDA ‘s beliefs that salvation is only by faith not works, not faith and works, here is SDA believe number 10
. The Experience of Salvation: In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example. This faith which receives salvation comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God's grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God's sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God's law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment. (2 Cor. 5:17-21; John 3:16; Gal. 1:4; 4:4-7; Titus 3:3-7; John 16:8; Gal. 3:13, 14; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; Rom. 10:17; Luke 17:5; Mark 9:23, 24; Eph. 2:5-10; Rom. 3:21-26; Col. 1:13, 14; Rom. 8:14-17; Gal. 3:26; John 3:3-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Rom. 12:2; Heb. 8:7-12; Eze. 36:25-27; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rom. 8:1-4; 5:6-10.)
with no one sure of eternal life until they are dead.
- Another misrepresentation of the SDA’s beliefs: We believe that when you believe in Jesus you have eternal life, for the Bible says. 1Jo 5:13: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
- But we do not believe in the Calvinist theory of ‘once saved always saved‘ for the Bible says:
- Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
- John 15:4-6 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned"
The majority of Adventists come from Southern Baptist Churches whose members were led off into various cults due to lack of Bible knowledge (Gal. 4:17; 5:7-12). Some points on the Sabbath issue:
- The Sabbath was a "SIGN" (Ezek. 20:20) given to the Jews because the Jews require a SIGN (1 Cor. 1:22).
- Jews require a SIGN because their NATION began with SIGNS (Ex. 4).
- What needs to be understood here is that it was not the people who asked for a sign it was God who gave them signs. Just like in the New Testament, it was not the Jews who asked Jesus for a sign but it was Jesus again doing as he did before.
- The sign of the Sabbath was unknown to every man, woman and child in the book of Genesis for more than 2,000 years, for it was first revealed to Moses on MT. SINAI (1500 B.C.) (See Neh. 9:14). This explains why no one in Genesis ever kept or observed the Sabbath. (Adam, Enoch, Seth, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc.)
- It is important to note that the Sabbath was observed before the Ten Commandments were given. Ex 16:25,26,29 "And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day [is] a Sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the Sabbath, in it there shall be none. See, for that the LORD hath given you the Sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."
- It is very dangerous statement to say no one in Genesis ever kept the Sabbath day holy. This suggest that God is either lying or has lost His mind when he says remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. How can you remember something you never knew? They fact that there is no record of any of the patriachs keeping the Sabbath does not mean that they didn’t.
- Moreover the Bible says Genesis 26:5 "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
- That the Sabbath is mentioned as "blessed" and "sanctified" in Genesis 2 means nothing at all, as it overlooks the fact that Moses didn't write Genesis until 400 years after Abraham was DEAD. The Sabbath was given as part of the LAW (Ex. 20), which was done away in Christ (Jn. 1:17; Col. 2).
- I wonder who has done away with the law?
- For Jesus says Matt 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
- The Paul says "Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."
- Again Paul says, "What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
- What some of us do not realize is that if there is no law there is no sin, for sin is the breaking of the Law. For the Bible says: 1John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
- There is no salvation in the law, the law is like a mirror that shows us that we are sinful we need to go to Jesus for salvation. (James 1:22-27)
- Christians in the New Testament do not meet on the Jewish Sabbath (6 PM Friday until 6 PM Saturday*). They meet on the FIRST day of the week (Sunday) for the following reasons:
- I wish I had a better word, but I am sorry to say that’s a lie! Lets go to the Bible:
- Jesus who is our example ,kept the Sabbath day holy: Luke 4:16 "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read."
- What does Jesus say about the Sabbath? Mark 2:27-28: "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."
- How about the disciples didn’t they keep the Sabbath? Yes! The Bible says so! Acts 13:42,44 "As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to come back the next Sabbath and tell them more about these things… The next Sabbath nearly everyone in the town came to hear the word of the Lord."
- Not on one occasion, listen to the Bible it says every Sabbath: Acts 15:21 "For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day."
- Still another one! Acts 16:12-13 "And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, [and] a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither].
- Like Jesus, It was Paul’s custom to keep the Sabbath, it’s in your Bible! Acts 17:2 "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures"
- Again every the Bible says every Sabbath: Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."
- Jesus Christ rose on the FIRST day (Mt. 28, Mk. 16, Lk 24, Jn.20).
- This is one of the sliest excuse of worshipping on Sunday, unfortunately it seems to be the main one. To me this only imply that even in death He rested on the Sabbath, remember he didn’t have to rise on Sunday, even if he rose on the Sabbath our salvation will have been complete.
- They met on the FIRST day (Acts 20).
- I am again sorry to say this a very stupid reason for worship on Sunday because the disciples broke bread every day; it’s in the Bible. Acts 2:46 "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat gladness and singleness of heart."
- They gave on the FIRST day (1 Cor. 16).
- If only we can read the Bible in context will not have such problems, this is not only out of the context of the chapter but the context of the verse itself. Acts 16:2 says "On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.." The verse does not even say that people should bring the money to the church, it says lay aside, it think that plain English
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- They preached on the FIRST day (Acts 20:7)
- It is important to note that just like many of us do today, the disciples used to preach everyday, as much as they use to break bread everyday as I explain in (b)
- The Holy Spirit came down on the FIRST day (Acts 2:1-6).
- I think there is a mistake in your Bible for all the Bibles that I have read do not have those words "First day" in Acts 2:1-6
I realize that you have a problem of not knowing why you worship on Sunday, given a chance in the future I will give you the real reason why you worship on Sunday. Unfortunately it is not in the Bible. Many years ago a Roman Catholic Bishop offered a $1000.00 for anyone who can give one text from the Bible that says we have to worship on Sunday. As far as I know that money have never been claimed. In many of our outreach efforts we have offered $3000.00, but I am sorry to say not one has ever come to claim it. You can try your luck!
The Adventists wrongly divide the LAW into two -- the "CEREMONIAL LAW," and the "MORAL LAW." They put the Jewish Sabbath as a MORAL LAW instead of a ceremonial law because it is found in the ten "moral" commandments given at Sinai (Ex. 20). This overlooks five Bible facts that deal with sound doctrine. Observe:
- It is not the Adventist who divided the laws it is God, for the ten commandment he wrote with His own hand on the tablets of stone and the other laws were written by Moses’s hand.
- There are MORAL LAWS given right in the same list with CEREMONIAL LAWS (see Lev. 19:5-9, 11, 12).
- There are CEREMONIAL LAWS given right in the same list with MORAL LAWS (see Lev. 19:17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23 and 30). Notice that the SABBATHS (plural – there are more than one), are ceremonial observances to be kept (Lev. 19:30).
- This is a very weak argument, it like hearing someone in a Particular State e.g. DC, stating the Federal laws and state laws that you must not violate and conclude that there is no difference between the Federal laws and state laws. There is a difference, because the federal laws apply in all states whilst DC state laws don’t. This calls for common sense!
- The New Testament clearly forbids anyone judging you in respect to the ceremonial observances of ANY day (Col. 2:16), and when giving the "ten MORAL COMMANDMENTS" in the "MORAL LAW," Paul purposely omits the SABBATH or the observing of the SABBATH as a MORAL LAW or a CEREMONIAL LAW (Rom. 13:8-10). According to the Apostle Paul, the Old Testament Sabbath is not a moral commandment for ANY Christian.
- I must admit that it very painful for me to answer some of these questions. The gist of your point is based on Paul purposely omitting the Sabbath, Where do you get that? Why don’t you say that we are allowed to steal because Paul purposely omitted ‘do not steal’? Moreover verse 9 says "…and whatever other commandments there may be…" How you come to your conclusion is just amazing
- Observe that the Old Testament laws on STONE (the "moral law" of the Ten Commandments) were done away with in Christ (2 Cor. 3), and the Christian's reason for observing the real moral commandment in the Ten (Paul omits the Sabbath from them: Rom. 13:8-10) has nothing to do with SALVATION. It has to do with good health, testimony, spiritual success, answered prayer and peace of mind (see Gal. 5, Rom. 6, 7 and Eph. 4, 5). No Christian was ever saved, or was ever kept saved by keeping ANY of the commandments – moral, ceremonial, or otherwise. (Gal. 2:16)
- I think you are confused. Read my previous comments
- Finally, observe that if any sinner is counting on the law to justify him (moral or ceremonial, in part, or in whole) he is an unsaved man who has "FALLEN FROM GRACE" (Gal. 5:4), and Christ is of "no effect" to him at all.
- If the law could be done away with, there wouldn’t have been any need for Jesus to die on the cross.
- He died because the law could not be changed. The Law required us to die for our sins. Jesus came to take our place, he satisfied the requirements of the law.
- No one from Adam has ever been saved by the law all were saved by faith (read Heb 11) in the seed that will come and crush the head of the snake (Satan).
- If there is no law there is no sin ? – For sin is the breaking of the law, and the Bible says who ever says he has no sin is a liar (1 John 1:8) how can we know sin if there is no law?
- If there is no sin there no need for Jesus to die? – For he died for our sins. I hope now you understand why Jesus says "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" Matt 5:18
This then, is why no Bible believer is a 7th Day Adventist. This brief treatise has NOT covered Mrs. White's peculiar teachings on the Blood Atonement, Satan (not Christ) as the sin-bearer, Christ's humanity, or Hell. There are numerous other works available which cover the historical and doctrinal aspects of the cult more deeply."
- I suppose the rest of this document does not need my comments, since it seems like you are summarizing your above statements..
- I hope the answers that I have given above will convince you that we have the sound doctrine. There is always a danger when we think we have absolute truth.
- My position is that of a student of the Bible willing to learn from everybody without labeling anyone with names.
- How can I win my brother from error when I call him names?
- I think it is easier to attach a label than to correct my brother with love, and many a times we alienate people instead of wining them over to Jesus. I just do no think that’s the way Jesus would like us to represent Him
* 6:00 PM is a tongue in cheek. It’s really sundown to sundown.