Digest 69, originally sent Tue Oct 26 07:13:15 1999
There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in today's digest:
1. Re: Disc: Topics
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
2. Re: Disc: Topics
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
3. Introduction
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@xxx.xx.xxx
4. Re: Disc: Topics
From: "Weiers Coetser" <weiersc@xxxx.xx.xxx
5. Statistics
From: "Weiers Coetser" <weiersc@xxxx.xx.xxx
6. Re: Disc: Topics
From: "Lungani Mfeka" <MfekaL@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
7. Re: Statistics
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
8. Open Week
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
Shirley,
Will it be possible for you to do us a big favour and inquire from Dr
van Zyl about SA SDA history?
That's my humble request.
He is coming!
Jeremiah
--- Shirley Allen <chmin@hbc.ac.za> wrote:
> Have you thought of contacting Dr van Zyl to see what info he may
> have on
> the topic of the History of the church in South Africa?
> Shirley
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
Friends,
I agree with Daniel, I wish I could say that we have already made our
decision on the topics last week, however, that will be against the
flexibility that we talked about earlier and I have noticed that
there seem to be no interest in these two subjects that I suggested.
Now, will change gears:
Here are the new topics for discussion:
1. We will continue with 'the dead who are living' from last week.
2. Salvation (all three phases) and The Gospel Commission, (as Daniel
suggested)
Daniel, will you so kind and present your views again on the gospel
&salvation topic.
He is still coming!
Jeremiah
--- Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@4gl.co.za> wrote:
> Friends,
>
> The discussion topics are interesting, I have no doubt we will
> learn a
> lot. However, I have a bit of a problem with the order. Please
> forgive me
> I could not say this last week as my email was not working. I think
> we
> need to discuss the gospel before we discuss gospel commission and
> crisis
> in Adventism. These two subjects depend on our understanding of
> what the
> gospel really is.
>
> 1. The gospel commission.
>
> I think we need to understand what we mean by the gospel before we
> think
> about spreading it. What is our understanding of the gospel? Is the
> Sabbath message, for instance, part of the gospel? Is the gospel
> equal to
> our 27 fundamental beliefs?
> Another alternative is to combine the two subjects, viz Salvation
> (all
> three phases) and The Gospel Commission. We cannot start with the
> latter
> and then go back to define what the gospel is.
>
> 2. Crisis in Adventism.
>
> Again I think our understanding of the gospel will help us when we
> come to
> the discussion of the two groups that threaten to divide Adventism.
> The
> two groups, in my opinion, are "Evangelical Adventists" and
> "Historical
> Adventists". Evangelical Adventsists claim to put more emphasis on
> the
> gospel while the other group is accused of putting more emphasis on
> the
> distinctive doctrines of the church like the Sanctuary.
> To me the problem is the understanding of the gospel.
>
> NOTE: I am not raising these issues to start a new discussion on
> the
> order, I'm prepared to follow what was discussed last week.
>
> ... To know Christ and Him Crucified
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:55:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Introduction
Friends,
I'm sorry that I could not introduce myself last week. We had a serious
problem with our network. I had no contact with the outside world, but
thank God it is fine this morning and your messages were safe.
My name is Daniel Bafana Dlongolo. It is interested to note that I share
my Zulu name with Boyce and that we are both third-born sons. My friends
call me Dan. I was born in Standerton, Mpumalanga Province, exactly thirty
years ago. My marital status has not changed since I was born, but Betty
is promising to help me change it soon. I look forward to having my first
child which will hopefully be a daughter.
I did by Bsc Hons in Computational & Applied Maths at Wits
University in Johannesburg three years ago and am now employed by
4GL Systems as a computer programmer. My membership is at Dennilton
Church (Mpumalanga) but I worship at Jo'burg North, Central or Wits.
I am not stable yet.
Over the past few months I have developed a special interest in Adventist
history and the gospel in general.
Still waiting for the Second Return
Daniel
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:19:15 +0200
From: "Weiers Coetser" <weiersc@xxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
I would also like to suggest Dr. Tony Pantalone.
He received his doctorate in SA - Church history from UDW at the beginning
of this year.
I've spoken to him and he is very interested. It would be good if somebody
(perhaps less familiar) could e-mail him and invite his comments. I am sure
he will agree to give some inputs.
his email is A Pantalone
E-mail Address(es):
barton@wandata.com
Greetings
Weiers
----- Original Message -----
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@yahoo.com>
To: <sa-sda@onelist.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [sa-sda] Disc: Topics
>From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@yahoo.com>
>
>Shirley,
>
>Will it be possible for you to do us a big favour and inquire from Dr
>van Zyl about SA SDA history?
>That's my humble request.
>
>He is coming!
>Jeremiah
>
>
>--- Shirley Allen <chmin@hbc.ac.za> wrote:
>> Have you thought of contacting Dr van Zyl to see what info he may
>> have on
>> the topic of the History of the church in South Africa?
>> Shirley
>
>>The King is even at the door!
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:49:26 +0200
From: "Weiers Coetser" <weiersc@xxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Statistics
I wonder if somebody could tell me approximately how many church members we
have in the Southern Africa Union.
I've heard figures ranging from 30 - 60 thousand.
Thank you
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:27:58 +0200
From: "Lungani Mfeka" <MfekaL@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
Mashudu,
I know what it is but I just thought it wise to let us use
understandable lingo since this is more of a discussion platform for
everyone.
I guess it will help if we keep our language more simple and simple.
Lungani
>>> Masabatha Online <masabatha@yahoo.com> 10/22/99 01:30PM >>>
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@yahoo.com>
Lungani,
I guess that end time prophecy, Daniel & Revelation
He will come
Jeremiah
--- Lungani Mfeka <MfekaL@telkom.co.za> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> What is eschatology? Please break it down for me and others who
> may
> not have an idea.
>
> Lungani
>
> >>> "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu> 10/21/99 04:23PM >>>
> From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>
> Friends,
>
> Here is the list of topics that I have received so far, please make
> you
> vote, as you can see very few people have responded, so the choices
> do
> not reflect the wishes of the masses.
>
> The Gospel Commission
>
> 2
> History of the SDA Church in Southern Africa
> 2
> Nature of Christ
> 2
> Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa 2
> Salvation (all the phases)
> 1
> Christian church in general
> 1
> History of Adventism
> 1
> Eschatology
> 1
> Crisis in Adventism
> 1
> Power struggle in the church
> 1
> Prayer and Fasting
> 1
> Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa 2
> Open Week
> 0
> Testimonies Week
> 0
>
>
> Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa,
> This topic has been dealt with extensively under the theme TOC/TC
> merger. I will advise new member to go to the Masabatha Online
> archives
> (www.masabatha.org) and familiarize themselves with the issues
> discussed. I don't see as going back to this issue in the new
> future,
> unless there is a popular demand from the masses.
>
> History of the SDA Church in Southern Africa
> Somebody needs to do research on this subject, otherwise it will be
> very difficult to discuss it. Any volunteers?
>
> Wait and murmur not!
>
> Jeremiah
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:49:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: Statistics
Weiers,
In the yearbook they have 71,081
He will come
Jeremiah
--- Weiers Coetser <weiersc@mweb.co.za> wrote:
> I wonder if somebody could tell me approximately how many church
> members we
> have in the Southern Africa Union.
>
> I've heard figures ranging from 30 - 60 thousand.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 04:00:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Open Week
Dear Friends,
It is not good to have a 'quiet' discussion list, so this week has
also been declared an open week. We can discuss whatever we like.
This what I think we should do, let the discussions follow naturally
and then we will focus on some of the topics that seem to attract
members interests.
Everybody ought to know who Jesus is!
MJ Ravhengani
www.masabatha.org
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