Digest 68, originally sent Mon Oct 25 07:01:19 1999
There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in today's digest:
1. Re: Disc: Topics
From: "Lulama R. Zantsi" <wels124@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
2. Re: Disc: Topics
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@xxx.xx.xxx
3. Cape Conference Clips
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@xxx.xx.xxx
4. Re: Disc: Topics
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@xxx.xx.xxx
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:47:19 +2
From: "Lulama R. Zantsi" <wels124@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
Beloved,
I probably missed the voting process. My topics of choice, in order
of preference are:
1. Are the dead really dead?
2. Is 100 % perfection/holiness/uprightness attainable in this earth?
3. Role of professionals and intellectuals in SDA Church (if any).
To make Him King of my life and of the lives of all those around me.
Lulama
still learning
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:37:07 +0200
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
Have you thought of contacting Dr van Zyl to see what info he may have on
the topic of the History of the church in South Africa?
Shirley
-----Original Message-----
From: Mashudu Ravhengani <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
To: sa-sda@onelist.com <sa-sda@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 04:14
Subject: [sa-sda] Disc: Topics
>From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>
>Friends,
>
>Here is the update list:
>
>History of the SDA Church in Southern Africa 5
>The Gospel Commission 4
>Crisis in Adventism
4
>Nature of Christ
3
>Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa 2
>Salvation (all the phases)
1
>Christian church in general
1
>History of Adventism 2
>Eschatology
1
>Power struggle in the church
1
>Prayer and Fasting
1
>Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa 2
>Open Week
0
>Testimonies Week
1
>Abortion
2
>Are the dead really dead
2
>Contextualisation * "dominance of western linguistics in our church" 1
>
>As you can see, History of SDA church in SA is very popular, however I
would us to take some time and research this topic, If someone has some
documentation on this subject please share it with us. We will discuss this
subject after two weeks.
>For the next two weeks, we will discuss the 2nd and 3rd most popular
topics:
>1. The gospel commission and
>2. Crisis in Adventism
>
>Those who chose the Gospel commission, you can start sending us your views
on this subject.
>The Crisis in Adventism is a subject that I raised few weeks ago, I will
re-post my message for the benefit of the new members
>
>May you all have a blessed Rest, as we commemorate creation and redemption
while looking forward to the eternal Rest!
>
>He is coming!
>
>MJ Ravhengani
>www.masabatha.org
>
>>The King is even at the door!
>====
>To contribute to the discussions: send your mails to sa-sda@onelist.com
>To subscribe: send a blank email sa-sda-subscribe@onelist.com
>To unsubscribe: send a blank email to sa-sda-unsubscribe@onelist.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:19:56 +0200
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Cape Conference Clips
SAD NEWS
Pastor Daniel Douman was tragically killed in a motor car accident near Britstown. He was currently the pastor of the Southern Hope Conference churches in Kimberley. He was on his way home after spending time at Helderberg College working on his Masters degree. The previous day he had attended the funeral of Pastor La Kaye. We wish to express our sincere condolences to his wife and family. The funeral is to be held in Cape Town.
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Shirley Allen
Cape Conference
Director of Youth, Children's Ministries, Sabbath School, Personal Ministries and Women's Ministries
PO Box 279
Somerset Wes
7129
Telephone: 021 852 1140
"Remember your Creator during your youth: when all possibilities lie open before you and you can offer all your strength intact for his service. "
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:07:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Disc: Topics
Friends,
The discussion topics are interesting, I have no doubt we will learn a
lot. However, I have a bit of a problem with the order. Please forgive me
I could not say this last week as my email was not working. I think we
need to discuss the gospel before we discuss gospel commission and crisis
in Adventism. These two subjects depend on our understanding of what the
gospel really is.
1. The gospel commission.
I think we need to understand what we mean by the gospel before we think
about spreading it. What is our understanding of the gospel? Is the
Sabbath message, for instance, part of the gospel? Is the gospel equal to
our 27 fundamental beliefs?
Another alternative is to combine the two subjects, viz Salvation (all
three phases) and The Gospel Commission. We cannot start with the latter
and then go back to define what the gospel is.
2. Crisis in Adventism.
Again I think our understanding of the gospel will help us when we come to
the discussion of the two groups that threaten to divide Adventism. The
two groups, in my opinion, are "Evangelical Adventists" and "Historical
Adventists". Evangelical Adventsists claim to put more emphasis on the
gospel while the other group is accused of putting more emphasis on the
distinctive doctrines of the church like the Sanctuary.
To me the problem is the understanding of the gospel.
NOTE: I am not raising these issues to start a new discussion on the
order, I'm prepared to follow what was discussed last week.
... To know Christ and Him Crucified
Daniel
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Mashudu Ravhengani wrote:
> From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>
> Friends,
>
> Here is the update list:
>
> History of the SDA Church in Southern Africa 5
> The Gospel Commission 4
> Crisis in Adventism 4
> Nature of Christ 3
> Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa 2
> Salvation (all the phases) 1
> Christian church in general 1
> History of Adventism 2
> Eschatology 1
> Power struggle in the church 1
> Prayer and Fasting 1
> Human relationships among Adventists in South Africa 2
> Open Week 0
> Testimonies Week 1
> Abortion 2
> Are the dead really dead 2
> Contextualisation * "dominance of western linguistics in our church" 1
>
> As you can see, History of SDA church in SA is very popular, however I would us to take some time and research this topic, If someone has some documentation on this subject please share it with us. We will discuss this subject after two weeks.
> For the next two weeks, we will discuss the 2nd and 3rd most popular topics:
> 1. The gospel commission and
> 2. Crisis in Adventism
>
> Those who chose the Gospel commission, you can start sending us your views on this subject.
> The Crisis in Adventism is a subject that I raised few weeks ago, I will re-post my message for the benefit of the new members
>
> May you all have a blessed Rest, as we commemorate creation and redemption while looking forward to the eternal Rest!
>
> He is coming!
>
> MJ Ravhengani
> www.masabatha.org
>
> > The King is even at the door!
> ====
> To contribute to the discussions: send your mails to sa-sda@onelist.com
> To subscribe: send a blank email sa-sda-subscribe@onelist.com
> To unsubscribe: send a blank email to sa-sda-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>
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