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1. Re: Cyber Evangelism
From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@xxxx.xx.xxx
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:46:30 +0200
From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@xxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Cyber Evangelism
San
Thank you very much for enlightening me on the subject of assurance of
salvation. Your knowledge of scriptures is surely commendable, keep it up.
I am sure that somehow I did not make myself clear. I thought I was
responding to Jerry's question on whether a person can be a disciple of
Christ and not follow him.
All I can say is that our assurance of salvation should never lead us to
triumphalism.
He is able to keep us from falling
Jongimpi
-----Original Message-----
From: The Easton's <s.easton@home.com>
To: sa-sda@onelist.com <sa-sda@onelist.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [sa-sda] Cyber Evangelism
>From: The Easton's <s.easton@home.com>
>
>Jongimpi,
>I have struggled with this question for many years, and I used to believe
as you do now but I have to disagree with what you have said. We can have
assurance that we are disciples of Christ. In the
>bible there are numerous verses, I will list a few and if you would like
more email me privately:
>
>Acts 16: 30-31: He brought them out and asked," Sirs, what must I do to be
saved?" They replied," Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved -
you and your household."
>
>Romans 10: 9- 14: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and
believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
For it is with your heart that you believe and
>are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
>
>Romans 10:13 : for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be
saved."
>
>Romans 7:25 -8:3 So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's Law, but
in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. Therefore there is now no
condendemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
>because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of Life set me free from
the law of sin and death.
>
>Ephesians 2: 8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH -
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works...
>
>I have always been aware of these verses, but is salvation so simple? yes
>Can I believe what the Bible says and have FAITH that I am a Disciple of
God? yes. Will I always obey God? no because I am not perfect and I will
never be, but that is why Jesus died.. so he could
>forgive us of all the sin that we will do. (John 3:16) and it is no longer
what we DO but if we believe. If we are not following his leading but still
are believer, than God will show us the right way
>to go. Like Jonah, He outright disobeyed God.. but God didn't let him go
that easily and I think That sometimes God allows us to go our oun way for a
time so that we can realize for ourselves how
>inadaquate we really are. I also believe that once you are a disciple of
God that it isn't that simple to turn away... like jonah.. and in the end...
God gently leads us back to him. We are justified
>by faith.. not of works. and we can never be good enough or do enough for
God.. he has already accepted us by dying for us.. all he asks is to love
him.
>
>Hope to hear your comments on this one!
>
>San
>
>
>
>Jongimpi Papu wrote:
>
>> From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@mweb.co.za>
>>
>> Jerry
>> You asked, "Is it possible for a person to be a disciple of Christ and
not
>> follow his leading"? Let me answer your question in two ways.
>>
>> First of all I think it is possible for a person to say that he is a
>> disciple of Christ and yet refuse to follow him. In this case it is not
>> what a person says but what he does that is a real answer to the
question.
>>
>> Secondly, a person can say he is a disciple of Christ, we may believe
him,
>> because of what we see him do, things like preaching, leading in the
church
>> and many other good things. He may also believe that he is a disciple of
>> Christ, but Christ can have a different evaluation of the same. In
Matt.
>> 7: 21-23, that seems to be the issue. The operative word here is
>> deception, person who is deceived does not know that he is deceived, we
read
>> that at the end many will be deceived into thinking that they are
>> worshipping God only to find out that they are worshipping the beast. In
>> fact even the beast might think that he is worshipping God, for he also
is
>> deceived.
>>
>> Who then is a disciple of Christ? Only Christ knows!!!
>>
>> If we love one another the whole world will know...
>>
>> Jongimpi
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mashudu Ravhengani <ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>> To: sa-sda@onelist.com <sa-sda@onelist.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sa-sda] Cyber Evangelism
>>
>> >From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>> >
>> >Greetings,
>> >
>> >Apart from the few positive comments, I have not received any response
to
>> this suggestion. I suppose there are many ways we can reach-out to the
lost,
>> this was just one suggestion. If you have something in mind, please share
it
>> with us.
>> >
>> >Few weeks ago somebody asked a question in our Sabbath school class, and
it
>> went like this: "Is it possible to have the Holy Spirit and still not do
>> what is the duty/mission of the Holy Spirit?" We can ask the same
question
>> this way. "Is it possible to be a disciple of Christ and still not follow
>> where Christ leads?"
>> >How can we really know whether we are disciplines or not? Or will we
find
>> out when we get to heaven or hell? Remember there is a difference between
a
>> disciple and a church member.
>> >
>> >He is coming!
>> >
>> >Jeremiah
>> >
>> >>>> "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@UMDNJ.EDU> 09/27 3:25 PM >>>
>> >From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>> >
>> >Dear friends
>> >
>> >Few weeks we spoke about the need to reach out to professionals or the
>> so-called middle class.
>> >Here is my suggestion - cyber evangelism.
>> >I suggest that we start a mailing list (and a web site) dedicated to
>> reaching the UN-reached.
>> >Instead of it been a discussion list, it will be a study/sermons list.
That
>> means that we will send out a sermon or a study once a week to this list.
>> This will be a like church service since most of them to not attend
church.
>> >Every week one of our members (SA-SDA members, especially those who are
>> pastors) will prepare a brief homily to send to this list.
>> >
>> >My request to you.
>> >1. Ask your non-Adventist friends, colleagues and relatives if they will
be
>> interested in receiving our mails (one mail a week). Send me
>> (masabatha@yahoo.com) the email addresses of those who are interested.
>> >2. Send me your brief evangelistic sermons/ study materials/sermon
ideas,
>> in future I will request some of you to handle certain topics.
>> >3. I am also looking for suggestions for the name of this new list/web
site
>> >4. Pray for the success of this evangelist outreach program
>> >
>> >Unlike SA-SDA, this will be a moderated list, only the moderators will
be
>> able to send out mails to this list. The recipients of the mails will
have
>> an opportunity to respond to the mails but the response will go to the
>> moderators not to the list.
>> >
>> >I guess some of you have heard about cyber weddings, we will ask Pastor
>> Papu to conduct cyber baptisms.
>> >On a more serious note, Here is an opportunity for all us to participate
in
>> evangelism. Few weeks ago somebody asked a question on how we can reach
our
>> colleagues, here is the answer. All you need to do is to ask for the
email
>> addresses of those who are interested. God will do the rest.
>> >If the people won't go to church, then the church must go to the people.
>> >
>> >I am very excited about this idea, I believe God will do miracles.
>> >
>> >Let's all pray for the success of this outreach plan and the outpouring
of
>> the Holy Spirit in the Cyber space.
>> >
>> >Go tell it to the mountains* that Jesus Christ is Lord!
>> >
>> >Jeremiah
>> >
>> >The King is even at the door!
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