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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in today's digest:
1. Cape Conference Clips
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@xxx.xx.xxx
2. Re: Cyber Evangelism
From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@xxxx.xx.xxx
3. FW: E.G. White!
From: "Bangisi, Nikelo" <NBangisi@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
4. RE: Majoring on minors? - part 1 of 4
From: "Bangisi, Nikelo" <NBangisi@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
5. God's family = Church?
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@xxx.xx.xxx
6. Majoring on minors? - part 1 of 4
From: "Lulama R. Zantsi" <wels124@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:19:27 +0200
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@hbc.ac.za>
Subject: Cape Conference Clips
Please pass this info on to your friends at church.
IN THIS ISSUE
SAD NEWS
VACANCIES AT HELDERBERG COLLEGE
NEWS FROM WILLIE GROBLER IN AUSTRALIA
REVIEW ONLINE
NEWS OF TWO SOUTH AFRICANS AT ANDREWS
SAD NEWS
Dr Carl Haupt has passed away. He is the father of Adrian & Ruth Haupt and Janine and Gary Marais and brother of Coenraad Haupt. We wish to express our sincere condolences to his wife Jean, family and friends.
VACANCIES AT HELDERBERG COLLEGE (Pastor Dave Allen)
We have the following vacancies at Helderberg College. We would appreciate it if this could be brought to the attention of interested persons in the various constituencies.
1. Residence Hall Dean: Ladies' Residence
2. Development Officer
3. Lifelong Learning Co-ordinator (part-time)
4. Director of Food Services (currently short listed)
5. Cafeteria Assistant
Interested persons should contact Helderberg College for a job description and employment questionnaire:
The Rector
Helderberg College
P O Box 22
7129 SOMERSET WEST
Telephone: (021) 855-1210, Ext 203
Fax: (021) 855-2917
E-mail: rector@hbc.ac.za
NEWS FROM WILLIE GROBLER IN AUSTRALIA (Forwarded by several friends so if you have already read this please just delete. SMA)
About twenty men from Papua New Guinea walked into our Adelaide City Church this morning (Sabbath, 2 October 1999) and sat in the front few pews. One of them went up to the Sabbath School Superintendent just before she started her Sabbath School and offered to sing an item. Well, they did, and it was a great 'men's choir'. So we asked them to sing in the service as well. Where are they from? Are they a touring choir? You will never believe their answer: 'We are the Papua New Guinea rugby team, and we are in Adelaide to play in the International Masters' Games'.
The Games are for various international sports, played between a number of countries, for just-over-the-hill athletes and sportsmen. Men and women who used to be professional and semi-professional players in their sports, come to South Australia and at least twenty countries are here.
'We play New Zealand tonight, and we're gonna beat them', they told the church.
'But how come the rugby team came to the Adventist Church this Saturday morning?'
'Well, the entire rugby team is now Seventh-Day Adventist. We had to play against New Zealand this afternoon, but we told them we could not, on our Sabbath, so they have rescheduled the game tonight.
They are from the first church founded in Papua New Guinea by missionaries and Kata Rangoso (of 'Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels' fame in the War), and the church membership is about 1500. They said that the satellite downlink of Dwight Nelson last year drew such large crowds that they had to hire a few stadiums. Near 60 000 people came to the satellite services. So many people became members that they were conducting baptisms of hundreds of people throughout the series.
I had to wonder why the Gospel of our Lord made such rapid progress in countries like this - and why so tardy in first-world countries.
REVIEW ONLINE -Carlos Medley, ADVENTIST REVIEW, News and Online Editor (forwarded by Errol van Eck)
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NEWS OF TWO SOUTH AFRICANS AT ANDREWS (Edgar Nunes)
Two "South Africans", Mark Piotrowski and Trust Ndlovu, will be
defending their doctoral dissertations this week at the Adventist
Theological Seminary. Mark will defend his dissertation towards his
Doctor of Ministry degree, on Wednesday October 6 from 1 PM. It is
entitled "An Intercessory Prayer Strategy for Evangelism in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church". Trust will defend his dissertation in
partial fulfillment for the Th.D. degree in Theological Studies entitled
"The Church as an Agent of Reconciliation in the Thought of Despond
Tutu", on Friday October 8 from 1 PM. Dissertation defense is the final
chapter in the process.
We wish them well as they close and important chapter of their lives and
enter new fields of service and ministry.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:15:47 +0200
From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@xxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Cyber Evangelism
Jerry
You asked, "Is it possible for a person to be a disciple of Christ and not
follow his leading"? Let me answer your question in two ways.
First of all I think it is possible for a person to say that he is a
disciple of Christ and yet refuse to follow him. In this case it is not
what a person says but what he does that is a real answer to the question.
Secondly, a person can say he is a disciple of Christ, we may believe him,
because of what we see him do, things like preaching, leading in the church
and many other good things. He may also believe that he is a disciple of
Christ, but Christ can have a different evaluation of the same. In Matt.
7: 21-23, that seems to be the issue. The operative word here is
deception, person who is deceived does not know that he is deceived, we read
that at the end many will be deceived into thinking that they are
worshipping God only to find out that they are worshipping the beast. In
fact even the beast might think that he is worshipping God, for he also is
deceived.
Who then is a disciple of Christ? Only Christ knows!!!
If we love one another the whole world will know...
Jongimpi
-----Original Message-----
From: Mashudu Ravhengani <ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
To: sa-sda@onelist.com <sa-sda@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [sa-sda] Cyber Evangelism
>From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>
>Greetings,
>
>Apart from the few positive comments, I have not received any response to
this suggestion. I suppose there are many ways we can reach-out to the lost,
this was just one suggestion. If you have something in mind, please share it
with us.
>
>Few weeks ago somebody asked a question in our Sabbath school class, and it
went like this: "Is it possible to have the Holy Spirit and still not do
what is the duty/mission of the Holy Spirit?" We can ask the same question
this way. "Is it possible to be a disciple of Christ and still not follow
where Christ leads?"
>How can we really know whether we are disciplines or not? Or will we find
out when we get to heaven or hell? Remember there is a difference between a
disciple and a church member.
>
>He is coming!
>
>Jeremiah
>
>>>> "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@UMDNJ.EDU> 09/27 3:25 PM >>>
>From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
>
>Dear friends
>
>Few weeks we spoke about the need to reach out to professionals or the
so-called middle class.
>Here is my suggestion - cyber evangelism.
>I suggest that we start a mailing list (and a web site) dedicated to
reaching the UN-reached.
>Instead of it been a discussion list, it will be a study/sermons list. That
means that we will send out a sermon or a study once a week to this list.
This will be a like church service since most of them to not attend church.
>Every week one of our members (SA-SDA members, especially those who are
pastors) will prepare a brief homily to send to this list.
>
>My request to you.
>1. Ask your non-Adventist friends, colleagues and relatives if they will be
interested in receiving our mails (one mail a week). Send me
(masabatha@yahoo.com) the email addresses of those who are interested.
>2. Send me your brief evangelistic sermons/ study materials/sermon ideas,
in future I will request some of you to handle certain topics.
>3. I am also looking for suggestions for the name of this new list/web site
>4. Pray for the success of this evangelist outreach program
>
>Unlike SA-SDA, this will be a moderated list, only the moderators will be
able to send out mails to this list. The recipients of the mails will have
an opportunity to respond to the mails but the response will go to the
moderators not to the list.
>
>I guess some of you have heard about cyber weddings, we will ask Pastor
Papu to conduct cyber baptisms.
>On a more serious note, Here is an opportunity for all us to participate in
evangelism. Few weeks ago somebody asked a question on how we can reach our
colleagues, here is the answer. All you need to do is to ask for the email
addresses of those who are interested. God will do the rest.
>If the people won't go to church, then the church must go to the people.
>
>I am very excited about this idea, I believe God will do miracles.
>
>Let's all pray for the success of this outreach plan and the outpouring of
the Holy Spirit in the Cyber space.
>
>Go tell it to the mountains* that Jesus Christ is Lord!
>
>Jeremiah
>
>The King is even at the door!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:50:26 +0200
From: "Bangisi, Nikelo" <NBangisi@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Subject: FW: E.G. White!
Friends,
I am glad to be back in circulation. I am overwhelmed by the Y2K worries of
the people here at work in terms of getting everything ready for the start
of the year 2000.
May I add my observations to those of Tankiso and Jongimpi regarding Ellen
White. It is my humble opinion that our up and coming youth do not read much
to the required level. It is my view that some of the major problems arise
out of this non-readership of the Spirit of Prophecy and the Bible. On top
of it some leaders of the church add insult to the injury by not practising
what they preach. So there is a lot of copying going around to a point where
a wrong deed is regarded as a right act. Thus you would have questions about
the value of some things that were written by Ellen White.
For instance, I have observed very well that we do not practise kneeling as
it used to be the case in the past. Thus there is no difference between
kneeling or not kneeling. However Ellen White makes it abundantly distinct
that there is a measure of difference between public worship and private
worship in regard to prayer. Is there someone out there who can help me out
with this problem of mine? When Ellen White makes it clear that there needs
to be kneeling when prayer is done in church why do our leaders take a back
seat and not lead in guiding the church about posture in prayer? Does it
imply that they do not attach any meaning to it or that there is no
meaningful reason for doing so? When issues like these are addressed, not
conveniently and/or selectively, then there will be much good gained by the
people in the church.
Another confusing factor is the value to be attached to the requirement of
quietness, silence and tranquillity inside the church "building"/sanctuary.
I know that Ellen White has written strongly about quietness inside the
church building/sanctuary because it is a sacred place that needs no talk in
it as God is therein. As to how much should we take some of these things
seriously is something that I would love to be educated on by someone who
knows how to interpret all that the good messenger of God wrote about.
Another factor which contributes to the diminished responsibility of members
not taking Ellen White seriously is the non-study about her life as shown in
the study presented to us by Tankiso. We should lead out in our respective
churches to study a little bit more about her life and things she wrote
about. One will discover that she clearly put it that she was not primarily
the faith trend-setter. She stated in one of the volumes of Selected
Messages that people should not make her the beginning and the end in faith
issues. She wrote that the Scriptures are the primary guiding light in
everything we do. If we discover that there is something in her writings
that is not in harmony with the bible we should follow that which the bible
says. I remember that she put it well that her writings complement that
which the bible has already stated. And therefore there is nothing to fear
from a person like her.
Lastly, when I read about the work she did during her lifetime I become
overwhelmed by the wonders of God in her. One is able to gain insight only
after having read and studied much of her material.
God bless you all.
Nick
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:08:45 +0200
From: "Bangisi, Nikelo" <NBangisi@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Subject: RE: Majoring on minors? - part 1 of 4
Guys,
What confuses me most is the caption of this discussion. Why did Lulama
choose 'majoring on minors'?
Does he maybe indirectly imply that thinking about the heavenly splendour is
a minor that we major in? Tell us Lulama why the caption?
Let me hasten to add that I periodically comfort the bereaved by quoting
Romans 8:18 where the Apostle Paul says the glory that God will reveal to us
is not to be compared to the suffering of today. I always point people to
this blessed glory that God will reveal to us. If all the riches are glory
then they are fine to look forward to. If it is the eradication of suffering
then again they may look at it. However I know that when we hunt for the
riches of this world there is a possibility of being lured in many traps
that are set before us by the devil.
A case in point concerns one elderly brother of the church whom the devil
has attempted to destroy by putting him under a strain of financial hunger.
This particular business man changed attorneys who milked his money out of
his desire to see his financial set up recovering overnight. This is what
the love of money does to us.
He assaulted a lady attorney in her office in his quest to recover some of
his money. In some instances he was definitely "robbed" by this lady
attorney, however, when it goes to a point of assault then it sent a message
to me what a frustrated Adventist can do when it comes to money issues.
My point therefore is that even if we should pursue financial independence
we should be reasonable in our business sense of gaining wealth out of this
world.
The Lord bless you.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Mashudu Ravhengani [mailto:Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 3:40 PM
To: sa-sda@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [sa-sda] Majoring on minors? - part 1 of 4
From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@umdnj.edu>
Boyce & Lulama
I don't think there is anything wrong about looking forward to mansions in
heaven, I am looking forward to be there. However, the point I am trying to
make is that our main motivation/decision to be Christians should not be
based on either the fear of hell or the desire for materialism. I strongly
believe that anybody who becomes a Christian because of the fear of Hell is
going to Hell anyhow. I love Him for He first loved me. I believe in Him
because He died for me on the cross, Not because there are mansions. In fact
I do not even know what heaven is all about. What does the Bible mean by
mansions, I have never been in a mansion before. Are they the same as
mansions here on earth? Do we have a point of reference? The Bible says eye
has not seen nor ear heard what God has prepared for us. This means that we
don't know anything about heaven. All we can do is to trust that God who
knows what is best for us will provide the best place for us. Whether it be
a mansion or a shack t!
o me it does not matter, he knows how to make me happy. Sometime He makes me
happier under the shack than in a beautiful house. Whether there will be
Marriage or no marriage, I don't care, I know He knows how to please me.
When the saints go marching in, I want to be in that number!
Jeremiah
>>> "Adv. Boyce Mkhize" <bhizaman@aec.co.za> 10/01 2:27 PM >>>
From: "Adv. Boyce Mkhize" <bhizaman@aec.co.za>
Zantsi
Thanks for joining in Mr Zantsi. I knew you would provoke us mentally. You
see Jesus said : In my Father's house are many mansions, if it were not so,
I would have told you....' John 14. Yes Jesus says so that where I am,
there you may be also. This latter statement is an expression of a strong
desire for the re-union. But, why does Christ decide to talk about mansions
when He knows the plight of some people who sleep in the streets? Why does
He make the statement at all? He could have easily stopped after saying so
that we may be with Him. I immediately thought of Him saying, the foxes
have holes, the birds of the earth have nests but the Son of Man has nowhere
to lay His head. Wasn't He looking forward to a day where the cup would
have passed and He will be back to His glory and splendour? I suppose He
was. Christ therefore presents going to heaven (the re-union) together with
mansions, streets of gold, the tree of life, the pearly gates etc.as a
package. Why reveal to John even the measurements of the city and the
entire design, if He was not interested, encouraging or even inciting us to
look forward to the city foursquare (Rev 21)? Brothers, we must look
forward to enjoying the riches and wealth of our Father inasmuch as we look
forward to an eternal re-union. He wants us to enjoy and be happy and we
seem to be saying, as long as we are with you Father even in poverty. No
ways, we serve a rich God and materialism is proposed by Christ Himself.
You see we did not assist Christ in His decision to make the streets of
gold. Neither did we suggest we would like some mansions. He decided and
also told us. I say therefore, these things, reunion and material heaven
are a package.
Possessions that have been entrusted upon you must not become your God.
There must still be a distinction between you and your possessions----here I
borrow from Ps Papu. Yes, you are a manager, but managers have what I may
call fiduciary duty/responsibility to take care or caretake the
business/property of the Master/Owner. It would be irresponsible for
instance to leave your car unlocked and say Psalm 91. It would be
irresponsible for you to drive in Johannesburg with your doors unlocked and
argue Psalm 91. The same obtains for gearlocks and alarms. In fact some of
these things are even dictated by insurance companies and you do not really
have a choice, especially if you want to be insured. Perhaps this may be
another debate because some people argue that the insurance is Christ. The
point I make, at least for now, is that we must appreciate what God has
blessed us with, and use it to bless His work. It must not be a situation
of ---you touch my car, you have touched the apple of my eye. There must
still be that distinction.
The Master owner will come and will not keep silent.
Boyce
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From: Lulama R. Zantsi HM 610 X 7675 <wels124@welspta.pwv.gov.za>
To: sa-sda@onelist.com <sa-sda@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:47 PM
Subject: [sa-sda] Majoring on minors? - part 1 of 4
>From: "Lulama R. Zantsi HM 610 X 7675" <wels124@welspta.pwv.gov.za>
>
>Brethren in the Lord,
>
>One finds himself sitting with a few questions in one's head.
>Actually, it is a series of four different but related issues that
>this humble learner is grappling with; but in order not to confuse
>the trend of thought or thinking processes, I will raise them one at
>a time.
>
>Lesson 13 of Quarter 3, 1999 carried some extracts from the Spirit of
>Prophecy like: "A fear of making the future inheritance seem too
>material has led many to spiritualize away the very truths which lead
>us to look upon it as our home" (G.C. pp 674-5).
>
>My country is characterized by the need to make politically correct
>statements, lest one will be labelled as being "politically immature".
>I also want to be "spiritually-accurate". Is there any harm in
>confessing that one would want to go to heaven or even the New
>Jerusalem City for the materials that come with the full package to
>that environment? Is it really improper to look forward to the
>streets of gold, the pearly gates, the precious stones or even the
>mansions that Ellen White described as "most glorious houses that had
>the appearance of silver" (E.W. p 18)? Is one being too
>materialistic? Maybe someone say it is not about the dazzling
>glamour, glitter, majesty and splendour ... but about the presence of
>JESUS in heaven. Point taken, but for a poor person like me, is it
>really harmful to look for that excellent experience since one hasn't
>managed to obtain those material possessions in this cruel and
>discriminating world?
>
>A case in point:
>Stewardship talks about us as managers of God's possessions. The fact
>of the matter is that one may "own" a car, clothes, cattle, sheep, a
>cell phone - the list is endless. What is the correct language to
>use? Do you talk of "my" car, house, sheep, cell phone, etc. or
>rather "the car, house, sheep, etc. lent me by God or entrusted to me
>by God? The issue may seem trivial but if we think deeper it may not
>be. The issue of protecting one's material possessions comes into the
>picture. With a car, you may install some protective devices like
>alarm, gearlock, anti-theft and anti-hijack systems. Someone may come
>and accuse you of being too materialistic and of little faith since
>the best "device" in town is Psalms 91! A house may actually have a
>fire sensor and other such sophisticated devices. Is that wrong?
>Maybe not, but the truth is that if you have a scenario of two people
>praying for God's protection - the other one has all these devices
>and the other has none. Which prayer, if any such a thing, is (taken
>as) more meaningful and sincere?
>
>The question still remains - is one being too materialistic? Or
>perhaps, it's a matter of "striking a fine balance between that and
>spiritualizing issues. I look forward to that new world experience
>with its full package.
>
>God bless.
>
>Lulama R. Zantsi
>"This Humble Learner"
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:45:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: God's family = Church?
Brethren,
Last week's SS lesson assured us that we are part of the family of God.
This is good news indeed. But the question is, when does this happen?
Does it happen immediately after repentance or only after baptism?
I struggled to relate this lesson to baptism and church discipline.
Is becoming a member of the church the same as being part of the family of
God? As far as I know one is not considered a member of the church until
he is baptised, and he will lose his membership if he is disfellowshipped.
One brother suggested that a person automatically becomes a member of
Christ's church when he believes.
It does not sound right to say that a new convert (or someboby who has
been disfellowshiped) is a member of God's family and not a member of His
church. Maybe one should ask what God's family is. Is it the church?
Open My Eyes Lord that I may see.
Daniel
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:54:11 +2
From: "Lulama R. Zantsi" <wels124@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Subject: Majoring on minors? - part 1 of 4
Brethren in the Lord,
May be one should respond and clarify Nikelo's apparent confusion
about the caption and/or the subject under discussion. The
contribution was actually asking the question as to whether thinking
about the heavenly splendour and looking forward to such is a minor
worth majoring on?
This humble learner was merely supporting a viewpoint of Ellen G
White stated in G.C. pp 14-15 where she wrote:" A fear of making the
future inheritance seem too material has led many to spiritualize
away the very truths which lead us to look upon it as our home"
(G.C. pp 674-5).
I once overheard someone comment that SDA's confronting a challenging
issue would either explain it away or spiritualize it away. The input
made by this humble learner in the correspondence referred to sought
to establish if it is acceptable to look forward with that longing
and desire to the "materialism" or" the dazzling glamour, glitter,
majesty and splendour awaiting us in the New World. or merely to
focus on the presence of JESUS there. The latter statement is
probably too obvious but would there be harm in the former especially
for those deprived and diasdavantaged at present. "Is it being too
materialistic?", was the question.
I must point out that two brothers addressed the issue with Jerry
saying: " I believe in Him because He died for me on the cross, Not
because there are mansions. In fact I do not even know what heaven is
all about. What does the Bible mean by mansions, I have never been in
a mansion before" and Boyce supporting the view by saying: " Christ
therefore presents going to heaven (the re-union) together with
mansions, streets of gold, the tree of life, the pearly gates etc.as
a package. Why reveal to John even the measurements of the city and
the entire design, if He was not interested, encouraging or even
inciting us to look forward to the city foursquare (Rev 21)?
Brothers, we must look forward to enjoying the riches and wealth of
our Father inasmuch as we look forward to an eternal re-union".
I must indicate that the issue was never about Christians seeking
wealth and worldly pleasures by unconventional means in this world.
Of course Nikelo concluded by saying: " If all the riches are glory
then they are fine to look forward to. If it is the eradication of suffering
then again they may look at it..."
I thank all for the responses. This humble learner is learning.
Lulama R. Zantsi
"this humble learner"
P.S.: In response to Nikelo's prayer about the attitude in prayer, I
may not have the best to say. But, I remember that King Solomon made a
very long prayer, STANDING, when he was dedicating the Temple to God.
I reckon Str White to have rebuked a brother in Selected Messages to
kneel down for the main prayer before a service. I'll probably have
to verify this and come back to you.
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