|
About ONElist Partner with Us Jobs @ ONElist Advertising |
Spam Policy Privacy Policy Terms of Service |
My Profile Contact Us Feedback ONElist T-Shirts |
There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in today's digest:
1. Cape Conference Clips
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@xxx.xx.xxx
2. Re: TC-TOC Merger
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
3. RE: TC-TOC Merger
From: Tshivhenga Takalani * Group <TakalaniT@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx
_______________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:37:30 +0200
From: "Shirley Allen" <chmin@hbc.ac.za>
Subject: Cape Conference Clips
In this issue
WILMA ANDERSON RETIRES
ADVENTIST WOMEN'S MINISTRIES RETREAT
BIBLES FOR MACASSAR CHILDREN
MISSIONS QUARTERLIES HAVE ARRIVED
NET NEW YORK
HEALTH COURSE
WILMA ANDERSON RETIRES
Wilma Anderson is retiring at the end of this quarter after serving as principal of Helderberg Primary for 21 years and teaching a further 14 years at Hillcrest. The staff and parents arranged a function on the 16th September to say farewell. Presentations were made on behalf of the parents, teachers, Helderberg College and the Cape Conference.
Wilma has made a significant contribution to Adventist education in South Africa and to the lives of many children and young people. We wish her a happy retirement after many years in Teaching Ministry.
ADVENTIST WOMEN'S MINISTRIES RETREAT
29-31 October 1999
Western Cape College of Education, Nooiensfontein Road, Kuils River
Guest Speaker: Ardis Stenbakken
Theme: The Fellowship of His Family
Accommodation: R200 with meals
Day visitors: R10 per person (Husbands free)
Meals can be ordered in advance
Book now: Rosalee Bredenkamp 021 - 886 5112; Shirley Allen 8521140
VIDEO PROJECTOR (Monica Gerrand - Gonubie Church)
We have a VERY urgent request and hope that you will be able to help. We are trying to obtain a projector for the upcoming seminar. As all our arrangements have already been made, ie. hall bookings etc., it is imperative that we find one a.s.a.p.
If you know where they can obtain one please contain Monica at:
react@iafrica.com
Thanks
SMA
BIBLES FOR MACASSAR CHILDREN
Thank you for the generous response by one of Sabbath School classes at Helderberg College Church to supply the 30 Afrikaans Bibles needed for this Branch Sabbath School. You made Bokkie Kern's day and who knows what impact those Bibles will have on the lives of the children who will use them. God bless you.
MISSIONS QUARTERLIES HAVE ARRIVED
Hooray! I received the parcel today and they are packed and ready for posting (thanks to Lettie Steyn) for tomorrow.
NET NEW YORK
The pamphlets and posters are on their way to Port Elizabeth, and East London and Jeffrey's Bay. Upington and Kimberley will receive theirs at the Northern Cape Campmeeting and the Peninsula coordinators need to collect theirs from our office.
A video, "Keys of the Harvest" can be ordered for R30 from this office. In this 1 hour video Pastor Batchelor explains how to go about inviting people to an evangelistic campaign. Please place your orders.
HEALTH COURSE
Adventist Media Centre in Sydney has a very interesting lifestyle course complete with worksheets to be answered for people who are interested in improving their lifestyle. It is advertised as, "A 12 part program of educational brochures provided as a community service in the interest of your health."I have ordered some copies. I only have the Australian dollar price but estimate the cost will be around R30 for the series.
WILMA ANDERSON RETIRES
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shirley Allen
Cape Conference
Director of Youth, Children's Ministries, Sabbath School, Personal Ministries and Women's Ministries
PO Box 279
Somerset West
7129
Telephone: 021 852 1140
_______________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:58:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: TC-TOC Merger
In the beginning of this discussion I asked whether we really need
the merger. I would like to suggest that we don't need the merger. As
Tankiso said, what we need is unity. We can be united even though we
have not merged, and we can be merged and still be divided. The
merger, or the structural merger, as it is called, is the merging of
structures not the uniting of people. The concept of the structural
merger has no spiritual connotations whereas unity is spiritual,
Jesus prayed that we might be one. So, merger cannot be used to weigh
the spirituality of the people/conference. Let us not fall into the
trap of using the two words interchangeable. For unity does not
necessitate the merging of the structures, actually the structural
merger might be of less importance if we are united.
I liked Jongimpi's illustration about running the race. It is
interesting that I find the illustration applicable to my local
church. The majority of our members (from both black and white
conferences) are not running the race. The failure to merge/racism is
not the only test of Christianity (if it is the test at all). Many of
those who are not racist are busy with other sins. What I hear Pastor
Papu to be saying is that the time is coming when the true remnant of
all races will come together. I hope we will not wait until them.
It is disappointing that in the Kwa-natal-ofs conference they are
still having separate camp meetings. However, we need to understand
that culture plays a big part in our worship. Unity does not dissolve
the cultures, that's why we talk about unity in diversity. I do not
consider myself to be a racist, in fact some of the best Adventist
Christians that I know happen to the white people. But somehow I just
do not enjoy the white church services as much as I enjoy the black
church services. I guess there is something wrong with me. What will
happen if I am forced (or left without a choice but) to attend a
white church service [before I allow the Lord to changes my sinful
attitude]? I might just leave the church.
May be that's what happened at Johannesburg central church. May be
that's what happened in England and Zimbabwe. May that's what is
happening in Canada.
What can we learn from all of this?
He is still working on me, making me what I ought to be!
The King is coming!
Jeremiah
_______________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:01:24 +0200
From: Tshivhenga Takalani * Group <TakalaniT@xxxxxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: RE: TC-TOC Merger
Hi Friends!
My personal opinion is that the merger of two conferences i.e. TOC and TC is
a nice to have (Maybe I am saying this because I am a Lay man and may not
benefit materially from the merger). Why don't we forget about it and
preach the soon return of our Lord.
I ponder, what if Abram and Lot did not seperate and each go their own way,
some of us would not been marveling the care and love of the good Lord when
He went out of His way to snatch out Lot from Sodom.
Of course we have to care about our fellow brothers from the other
Conference (TC), but I feel let them go ahead and serve their Lord the way
that satisfies their calling.
In one meeting an Afrikaans brother made a coment in Afrikaans saying " So
lank die Kaffer Hemel toe gaan, dan gaan ek nie" meaning (As long as a black
is going to Heaven I am not going there) I hope he was just making a joke,
but that is what he said.
He is vevn at the doo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Masabatha Online [mailto:masabatha@yahoo.com]
Sent: 21 September 1999 05:58
To: sa-sda@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [sa-sda] TC-TOC Merger
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@yahoo.com>
In the beginning of this discussion I asked whether we really need
the merger. I would like to suggest that we don't need the merger. As
Tankiso said, what we need is unity. We can be united even though we
have not merged, and we can be merged and still be divided. The
merger, or the structural merger, as it is called, is the merging of
structures not the uniting of people. The concept of the structural
merger has no spiritual connotations whereas unity is spiritual,
Jesus prayed that we might be one. So, merger cannot be used to weigh
the spirituality of the people/conference. Let us not fall into the
trap of using the two words interchangeable. For unity does not
necessitate the merging of the structures, actually the structural
merger might be of less importance if we are united.
I liked Jongimpi's illustration about running the race. It is
interesting that I find the illustration applicable to my local
church. The majority of our members (from both black and white
conferences) are not running the race. The failure to merge/racism is
not the only test of Christianity (if it is the test at all). Many of
those who are not racist are busy with other sins. What I hear Pastor
Papu to be saying is that the time is coming when the true remnant of
all races will come together. I hope we will not wait until them.
It is disappointing that in the Kwa-natal-ofs conference they are
still having separate camp meetings. However, we need to understand
that culture plays a big part in our worship. Unity does not dissolve
the cultures, that's why we talk about unity in diversity. I do not
consider myself to be a racist, in fact some of the best Adventist
Christians that I know happen to the white people. But somehow I just
do not enjoy the white church services as much as I enjoy the black
church services. I guess there is something wrong with me. What will
happen if I am forced (or left without a choice but) to attend a
white church service [before I allow the Lord to changes my sinful
attitude]? I might just leave the church.
May be that's what happened at Johannesburg central church. May be
that's what happened in England and Zimbabwe. May that's what is
happening in Canada.
What can we learn from all of this?
He is still working on me, making me what I ought to be!
The King is coming!
Jeremiah
The King is even at the door!
====
To contribute to the discussions: send your mails to sa-sda@onelist.com
To subscribe: send a blank email sa-sda-subscribe@onelist.com
To unsubscribe: send a blank email to sa-sda-unsubscribe@onelist.com
_______________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________
| Resources | |||||
|
|||||
| Copyright © 1998-99 ONElist, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Important Disclaimers and Legal Information |