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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in today's digest:
1. FW: Something all Christians should take note of !
From: <tmautla@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
2. FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
From: <tmautla@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
3. SA-SDA Admin.
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
4. Re: Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
5. Re: Gift
From: <tmautla@edgars.co.za>
6. Re: Gift
From: "Vice-Rector for Academic Administration" <vradmit@xxx.xx.xxx
7. FW: my day in court
From: <tmautla@edgars.co.za>
8. FW: Lessons in life.....
From: <tmautla@edgars.co.za>
9. Re: Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@xxxx.xx.xxx
10. Why was the serpent punished?
From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@xxxxx.xxxx
11. Re: Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
From: "Vice-Rector for Academic Administration" <vradmit@xxx.xx.xxx
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:03:14 +0200
From: <tmautla@edgars.co.za>
Subject: FW: Something all Christians should take note of !
---------------------- Forwarded by Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA on 08/18/99 10:08
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Lungie Goliath <lungie.goliath@voithsa.co.za> on 07/27/99 11:05:41 AM
To: Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA@Edgars
cc:
Subject: FW: Something all Christians should take note of !
Regards
Lungie Goliath
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ntsiki mayaba [SMTP:mayaban@telkom.co.za]
> Sent: 26 July 1999 09:35
> To: NKWALMN@alpha.unisa.ac.za;
> IMCEAEX-_O=DELTA+20MOTOR+20CORPORATION_OU=DMC+5FKEMPSTON_CN=RECIPIENTS
> _CN=PNGAMLANA@deltamotorcorp.co.za; dennism@medscheme.co.za; Lungani
> Mfeka; lungie.goliath@voithsa.co.za
> Subject: Fwd: Something all Christians should take note of !
>
> <<Something all Christians should take note of !>>
Message-ID: <39FA2F848E57D21181DE0008C728C7943F2C7C@VODAPE>
From: Thandeka Mandleni <thandeka.mandleni@vodacom.co.za>
To: "'esolombela@levi.com'" <esolombela@levi.com>, "'thembekab@gensec.com'"
<thembekab@gensec.com>, "'om38889@exchange.olmutual.com'"
<om38889@exchange.olmutual.com>, Viwe Jakavula <viwe.jakavula@vodacom.co.za>,
"'mayaban@telkom.co.za'" <mayaban@telkom.co.za>, "'chaukes@telkom22.co.za'"
<chaukes@telkom22.co.za>, "'om59201@exchange.oldmutual.com'"
<om59201@exchange.oldmutual.com>
Subject: Something all Christians should take note of !
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:23:05 +0200
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> The President of Procter & Gamble appeared on the Sally Jesse Raphael
Show
> on March 1, 1998. He announced that "due to the openness of our
society",
> he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church
of
> Satan. He stated that a large portion of his profits from Procter &
> Gamble Products goes to support this satanic church. When asked by
Sally
> Jesse if stating this on t.v. would hurt his business, he replied,
"THERE
> ARE NOT ENOUGH CHRISTIANS IN THE UNITED STATES TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE."
> Product list includes:
> Cleaning supplies: Bold, Cascade, Cheers, Joy, Comet, Dash, Spic &
Span,
> Tide, Top Job, Oxidol, Ivory Dreft, Gain, Mr. Clean, Lest Oil, Bounty
> Towels
> Food: Duncan Hines, Fisher Nuts, Fisher Mints, Dehydrated Fruits
> Coffee: Folgers, High Point,
> Shortening Oils: Crisco, Puritan, Fluffo
> Deodorants: Secret, Sure
> Diapers: Luvs, Pampers
> Hair Care: Lilt, Head & Shoulders, Prell, Pert, Vidal Sassoon, Ivory
> Acne Product: Clearasil
> Mouthwash/Toothpaste: Scope, Crest, Gleem
> Peanut Butter: JIF
> Personal Hygiene: Always, Attend Undergarments
> Lotions: Oil of Olay, Wondra
> Soap: Camay, Coast, Ivory, Lava, Safeguard, Zest, Oil of Olay
> Fabric Softener: Downy, Bounce
> Citrus Punch: Sunny Delight
> Medication: Aleve, Pepto-Bismol
>
> If you are not sure about the product, look for a Procter & Gamble
written
> on the products, or the symbol of a ram's horn, which will appear on
each
> product beginning on January 1, 2000. The ram's horn will form 666.
> Christians should remember that if they purchase any of these
products,
> they will be contributing to the church of Satan.
> Inform other Christians about this and STOP buying Procter & Gamble
> Products. Let's show Procter & Gamble that there are enough Christians
to
> make a difference. On a previous Jenny Jones Show, the owner of
Procter &
> Gamble said that if Satan would prosper he would give his heart and
soul
> to
> him. Then he gave Satan credit for his riches. Anyone interested
seeing
> this tape,
> should send $3.00 to: SALLY TRANSCRIPTS 515 WEST 57TH STREET NEW YORK
NY
> 10019
> WE URGE YOU TO MAKE COPIES OF THIS AND PASS IT ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS
> POSSIBLE. THIS NEEDS TO STOP. LIZ CLAIRBORNE ALSO PROFESSES TO WORSHIP
> SATAN
> AND RECENTLY OPENLY ADMITTED ON THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW THAT HALF OF
HER
> PROFITS
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:16:53 +0200
From: <tmautla@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
---------------------- Forwarded by Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA on 08/18/99 10:22
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Lungie Goliath <lungie.goliath@voithsa.co.za> on 07/29/99 11:37:04 AM
To: Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA@Edgars
cc:
Subject: FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
Regards
Lungie Goliath
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Palesa Xorile
> [SMTP:IMCEAMS-TSI_TSIJHB_PXORILE@pegasus.pcb.co.za]
> Sent: 29 July 1999 09:58
> To: 'mayaban@telkom.co.za'; 'lungie.goliath @voithsa.co.za'
> Subject: FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sipho Makhubela [SMTP:sim@amb.co.za]
> <mailto:[SMTP:sim@amb.co.za]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 6:03 PM
> To: 'Buli'; 'Caleb'; 'josiah'; 'JR'; 'lwazi'; 'mandisa'; 'mdu'; 'mdu
> dlamini'; 'Mpho.Jivhuho'; 'nxo'; 'Oscar'; 'Palesa'; 'Paul'; 'thabo
> nale'; 'Thabo Moabi'; 'thabo nnena'
> Subject: FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
>
>
>
> Sipho Makhubela
> sim@amb.co.za <mailto:sim@amb.co.za>
> Tel: +27 11 302 2000
> Fax:+27 11 783 0683
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tebogo Molefe
> > Sent: 28 July 1999 05:56
> > To: Sipho Makhubela; Regina Jiyane; Zoe
> > Subject: FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rego Mahuma-Agency [SMTP:regom@agency.co.za]
> <mailto:[SMTP:regom@agency.co.za]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:35 AM
> > To: 'esmeralda.bautloane@ac.com'; 'kbanda@optimum.co.za';
> Dorothy
> > Mogotsi; 'mabitselap@sabc.co.za'; 'malizab@sabc.co.za';
> > 'duben@sabc.co.za'; 'plangeni@durolink.co.za'
> > Subject: FW: IS YOUR HUT BURNING
> >
> > >
> > > Is Your Hut Burning?
> > > The only survivor of a shipwreck was washed up on a
> small,
> > > uninhabited island. He prayed feverishly for God to
> rescue him, and
> > > every day he scanned the horizon for help, but none
> seemed
> > > forthcoming. Exhausted, he eventually managed to
> build a little hut
> > > out of driftwood to protect him from the elements,
> and to store his
> > > few possessions. But then one day, after scavenging
> for food, he
> > > arrived home to find his little hut in flames, the
> smoke rolling up to
> > > the sky. The worst had hapened; everything was lost.
> He was stunned
> > > with grief
> > > and anger. "God, how could you do this to me!" he
> cried.
> > >
> > > Early the next day, however, he was awakened by the
> sound of a ship
> > > that was approaching the island. It had come to
> rescue
> > > him. "How did you know I was here?" asked the weary
> man of his
> > > rescuers.
> > >
> > > "We saw your smoke signal," they replied. It is
> easy to get
> > > discouraged when things are going bad. But we
> shouldn't
> > > lose heart, because God is at work in our lives,
> even in the midst of
> > > pain and suffering. Remember, next time your
> > > little hut is burning to the ground - it just may be
> a smoke
> > > signal that summons the grace of God. For all the
> negative things we
> > > have to say to ourselves, God has a positive answer
> for it.
> > >
> > > You say: "It's impossible"
> > > God says: All things are possible (Luke 18:27)
> > >
> > > You say: "I'm too tired"
> > > God says: I will give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30)
> > >
> > > You say: "Nobody really loves me"
> > > God says: I love you (John 3:16 & John 13:34)
> > >
> > > You say: "I can't go on"
> > > God says: My grace is sufficient (II Corinthians
> 12:9& Psalm 91:15)
> > >
> > > You say: "I can't figure things out"
> > > God says: I will direct your steps (Proverbs 3:5-6)
> > >
> > > You say: "I can't do it"
> > > God says: You can do all things (Philippians 4:13)
> > >
> > > You say: "I'm not able"
> > > God says: I am able (II Corinthians 9:8)
> > >
> > > You say: "It's not worth it"
> > > God says: It will be worth it (Roman 8:28)
> > >
> > > You say: "I can't forgive myself"
> > > God says: I FORGIVE YOU (I John 1:9 & Romans 8:1)
> > >
> > > You say: "I can't manage"
> > > God says: I will supply all your needs (Philippians
> 4:19)
> > >
> > > You say: "I'm afraid"
> > > God says: I have not given you a spirit of fear
> (II Timothy 1:7)
> > >
> > > You say: "I'm always worried and frustrated"
> > > God says: Cast all your cares on ME (I Peter 5:7)
> > >
> > > You say: "I don't have enough faith"
> > > God says: I've given everyone a measure of faith
> (Romans 12:3)
> > >
> > > You say: "I'm not smart enough"
> > > God says: I give you wisdom (I Corinthians 1:30)
> > >
> > > You say: "I feel all alone"
> > > God says: I will never leave you or forsake you
> (Hebrews 13:5)
> > >
> > > Pass this on, you never know whose life may be in
> need of this
> > > today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: SA-SDA Admin.
Greetings Friends,
Almost 100 mails have been exchanged in the past two weeks and the
subscription to the list has increase drastically. I hope we all
received some encouragement in one way or another.
Here are some few items that I would like to share with you:
Masabatha on-line (www.masabatha.org)
We need your contributions in the form of Sermons, testimonies,
essays and papers etc. I know some of you preach on the weekly basis
and some of have written on different topics that might be of
interest to others.
We also like to hear your views about this site, what we could add,
subtract or improve.
We hope to download the SA-SDA discussions to Masabatha On-line once
a week.
SS Lesson Study
I think it would be a good idea to discuss the Sabbath School Lesson.
In order to do this; I would like to request for volunteer(s) who
will prepare a weekly outline for us.
The outline can be in a form of a summary and questions, some form of
an overview.
You can volunteer for a week, two weeks, a month, etc.
Mail forwarding
I would like us to try not to forward mails to the list.
If you have a message that you received from someone please cut it
out (clean it) and then send it as a regular mail to the list. And
let's try to send only text format messages. If you have a PPT
format, please convert it first to text and them send it.
If you have images files please send them to masabatha@yahoo.com and
they will be published in Masabatha On-line.
In our respond let's try to keep only the last mail that we are
responding to, you can cut and parts of the early mails if you want
to comment on them.
South Africa News
Some of you are aware that I am not currently in SA, so I have
difficulties in getting South African News. I would like request
volunteers who will collect news from around South Africa. I would be
nice if we can get at least one person in each conference collect
news items for us.
Information is power.
SAUC / Maranatha
We still have a problem of publicity, I wish we can put an ad on some
of SAUC/conferences newsletters, do they still have Maranatha? Does
anyone have a contact for the SAUC communications dept. and/or the
editor of Maranatha?
We are open to any suggestions on how we can publicize ourselves.
South African SDA Web sites?
Yesterday I received a mail from someone who was complaining that in
Masabatha On-line, I have excluded SA SDA web sites in favor of
American SDA sites. I wrote back to him, telling him that I know only
two other SDA sites, HBC and TOC.
Are there any other SA SDA web sites out there?
I think it is of great importance for us as a church to have a
present on the web. To this end, I provide a free service to South
African church organisation that will like to create a presence on
the Web. I have just completed the design for the TOC web site. I
have made an offer to SDASA and I will make similar offers to any
other church entity in the SAUC. Since I do this as a hobby, the
turnaround time might be a bit longer and I don't promise a constant
update.
Are there any other SDA's out there who can speak HTML and would like
to be part of this ministry?
I will appreciate your comments and views!
The King is even at the door!
The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you;
The Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.
MJ Ravhengani
SA-SDA List Admin.
www.masabatha.org
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Masabatha Online <masabatha@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Re: Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
Daniel,
I think it means that salvation is by faith and faith only. Our works
wether good or bad have nothing to do with our salvation. A thief on
the cross, didn't get a change to clear his record by good works, all
he had on his record works was bad works, if we were saved by works
he was not going to have a chance.
Thank God salvation is by faith!
Jesus is coming back again!
Jeremiah
--- Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@4gl.co.za> wrote:
> From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@4gl.co.za>
>
> Brethren,
>
> I came across the following interesting statement when I was
> reading Pastor Morris Venden's book "95 Thesis On Righteousness By
> Faith"
>
> "Our good works have nothing to do with CAUSING us to be saved, and
> our
> bad works have nothing to do with CAUSING us to be lost."
>
> I'm sorry that I cannot remember the page number, I can check it
> out.
>
> What do you say about this statement? How do our works (good or
> bad)
> relate to our salvation?
>
> Keep Looking Up!
>
> Daniel Bafana Dlongolo
> 4GL SYSTEMS
> E-mail: daniel@4gl.co.za
> Phone : +27 11 476 2224 (w)
> Cell : +27 83 289 9975
> South Africa
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:41:31 +0200
From: <tmautla@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Gift
This one is for you Dawn,
It was a brave and strong act you took - I know you knew there is always a
reason for what one goes through. God made a plan for all of us - even though
sometimes we seem to do our own things. We must remember God will never put one
through a situation that He knows we cannot handle.
By the way - this did not happen to me, it happened to somebody that I never
used to care about, but now I think God send me to be a sister to this Girl, and
I can see she knows that after what happened to her, someone is praying for her
and someone cares - and I always ask God to give me strength to give her the
support she needs, and she needed someone who won't judge her.
Let us pray for the young youth. Pray for me too.
SOMEBODY NEEDS US TO HAVE FAITH IN THEM
Thabitha
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:34:36 +0200
From: "Vice-Rector for Academic Administration" <vradmit@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Gift
Thank you for this. I just wanted to add in something I read recently.
After the war in Rwanda there are a lot of children of soldiers who raped
some of the girls and killed others. The story of one of these girls was
told in a recent issue of the Fair Lady magazine. Out of this terrible
situation came a wonderful little boy. At first she couldn't bear to look
at him and just "mothered" him out of necessity. But one day when she was
holding him, he smiled and she realized he was smiling just for her! That
changed things for her and now she loves him unconditionally. There are
large communities of women living together in that country now, who support
and help each other, and don't ask about the past.
I think the best thing you can do for someone who has been through this
situation is to give them all the love and support you can. It was only
through the love and support of my family and church that I was able to deal
easily with my situation and come out a winner!
There are many who judge a young girl who falls pregnant, either by accident
or by rape or any other situation - this does nothing to help that girl or
keep her close to her church family. Someone in this situation is very
sensitive to any comment or attitude and care needs to be taken to only show
support, love and understanding.
Wishing you a good day!
Dawn
>This one is for you Dawn,
>It was a brave and strong act you took - I know you knew there is always a
>reason for what one goes through. God made a plan for all of us - even
though
>sometimes we seem to do our own things. We must remember God will never put
one
>through a situation that He knows we cannot handle.
>By the way - this did not happen to me, it happened to somebody that I
never
>used to care about, but now I think God send me to be a sister to this
Girl, and
>I can see she knows that after what happened to her, someone is praying for
her
>and someone cares - and I always ask God to give me strength to give her
the
>support she needs, and she needed someone who won't judge her.
>Let us pray for the young youth. Pray for me too.
>
>SOMEBODY NEEDS US TO HAVE FAITH IN THEM
>
>Thabitha
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:48:39 +0200
From: <tmautla@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: FW: my day in court
---------------------- Forwarded by Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA on 08/19/99 11:54
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Viwe Jakavula <viwe.jakavula@vodacom.co.za> on 08/19/99 10:28:53 AM
To: j.d.papu@mweb.co.za, mfekal@telkom.co.za, mayaban@telkom.co.za,
PumlaNgamlana@deltamotorcorp.co.za, Thandeka Mandleni
<thandeka.mandleni@vodacom.co.za>, Romaine Ernstzen
<ErnstzeR@vodacom.co.za>, thembekab@gensec.com, charleigh23@hotmail.com,
Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA@Edgars, vmxoli@indlovu.bortech.ac.za,
nqumsebi@edumtzs.ecape.gov.za
cc:
Subject: FW: my day in court
> My day in court
> > >After living a "decent" life my time on earth came to an
> > >end. The first thing I remember is sitting on a bench in the waiting
> > >
> > >room of what I thought to be a court house.
> > >The doors opened and I was instructed to come in and have a seat by
> > >the defense table.
> > >As I looked around I saw the "prosecutor," he was a
> > >villainous looking gent who snarled as he stared at me, he definitely
> > >was
> > >the most evil person I have ever seen.
> > >I sat down and looked to my left and there sat my
> > >lawyer, a kind and gentle looking man whose appearance seemed very
> > >familiar
> > >to me.
> > >The corner door flew open and there appeared the judge
> > >in full flowing robes. He commanded an awesome presence as he moved
> > >across the room and I couldn't take my eyes off of him.
> > >As he took his seat behind the bench he said "Let us
> > >begin."
> > >The prosecutor rose and said "My name is Satan and I am
> > >here to show you why this man belongs in hell." He proceeded to tell
> > >of
> > >lies that I told, things that I stole and in the past when I cheated
> > >
> > >others. Satan told of other horrible perversions that were once in
> > >my life and
> > >the more he spoke the further down in my seat I sank. I was so
> > >embarrassed that I couldn't look at anyone, even my own lawyer, as
> > >the Devil told of
> > >sins that even I had completely forgotten about.
> > >As upset as I was at Satan for telling all these things
> > >about me, I was equally upset at my representative who sat there
> > >silently not offering any form of defense at all. I know I had been
> > >guilty of
> > >those things, but I had done some good in my life - couldn't that at
> > >least
> > >equal out part of the harm I've done.
> > >Satan finished with a fury and said "This man belongs in
> > >hell, he is guilty of all that I have charged and there is not a
> > >person who can prove otherwise. Justice will finally be served this
> > >day."
> > >When it was his turn, my lawyer first asked if he might
> > >approach the bench. The judge allowed this over the strong objection
> > >
> > >of Satan, and beckoned him to come forward.
> > >As he got up and started walking I was able to see him
> > >now in his full splendor and majesty. Now I realized why he seemed
> > >so
> > >familiar, this was Jesus representing me, my Lord and my Savior.
> > >He stopped at the bench and softly said to the judge "Hi
> > >Dad" and then he turned to address the court. "Satan was correct in
> > >
> > >saying that this man had sinned, I won't deny any of these
> > >allegations. And
> > >yes the wages of sins is death and this man deserves to be punished."
> > >
> > >Jesus took a deep breath and turned to his Father with
> > >out-stretched arms and proclaimed "However, I died on the cross so
> > >that
> > >this person might have eternal life and he has accepted me as his
> > >Savior,
> > >so he is mine."
> > >My Lord continued with "His name is written in the book
> > >of life and no one can snatch him from me.
> > >Satan still does not understand yet, this man is not to
> > >be given justice but rather mercy." As Jesus sat down, He quietly
> > >paused, looked at his Father and replied "There is nothing else that
> > >needs to
> > >be done, I've done it all."
> > >The Judge lifted his mighty hand and slammed the gavel
> > >down and the following words bellowed from his lips - "This man is
> > >free - the penalty for him has already been paid in full, case
> > >dismissed."
> > >As my Lord lead me away I could hear Satan ranting and
> > >raving "I won't give up, I'll win the next one." I asked Jesus as he
> > >
> > >gave me my instructions where to go next "Have you ever lost a
> > >case." Christ lovingly smiled and said "Everyone that has come to me
> > >
> > >and asked me to represent them has received the same verdict as you,
> > >
> > >Paid in Full."
> > >"YOUR CROSS"
> > > Whatever your cross, whatever your pain,
> > >There will always be sunshine after the rain.
> > >Perhaps you may stumble, perhaps even fall,
> > >But God's always ready to answer your call.
> > >He knows every heartache, sees every tear,
> > >A word from His lips can calm every fear.
> > >Your sorrows may linger throughout the night,
> > >But suddenly vanish at dawn's early light.
> > >The Savior is waiting somewhere above,
> > >To give you His grace and send you His love.
> > >Whatever your cross, whatever your pain,
> > > God always sends rainbows after the rain.
> > >Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy,to offer your
> > >
> > >bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God -this is your
> > > spiritual act of worship.
> > >Romans 12:1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:54:45 +0200
From: <tmautla@xxxxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: FW: Lessons in life.....
---------------------- Forwarded by Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA on 08/19/99 12:59
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Gosiame Mathule <GMathule@lkp.co.za> on 06/25/99 11:38:52 AM
To: "'lorraine'" <lmakwela@mediswitch.co.za>, "'moabi'"
<moabi.setshedi@sabreweries.com>, "'motlatsi'"
<mmutlanyane@durolink.co.za>, "'nthime'" <khlnth01@gsb2.uct.ac.za>,
"'odirile'" <odirim@za.ibm.com>, Thabitha Mautla/Edgars/ZA@Edgars
cc:
Subject: FW: Lessons in life.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Henriques
Sent: 25 June 1999 11:17
To: Alison Ferguson; Charmaine Smith; Claudia Ferreira; Glen-Ester
Mlangeni; Gosiame Mathule; Lesley Windsor; Micaela Teixeira; Michele De
Wet; Paula Van Der Merwe; Terry-Anne van Deventer; Vicky Patel; 'Carla';
'Cat'; 'Paul'
Subject: FW: Lessons in life.....
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:53:13 +0200
From: Jongimpi Papu <j.d.papu@xxxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
Daniel
You have raised a very serious and important subject. I accept the
statement that we are justified by faith but judged by works. The Bible
makes it clear that God will bring our works to judgement, (Ecc. 12:7, Matt.
25:31-45, etc. When God judges the works He wants to see if they are works
of faith or not. For it is faith that justifies and not works. But
remember faith without works is dead, (James 2:14-26) . For me to see your
faith I have to look at your works, but I cannot judge, for it is God alone
who can examinie the works to see if they result from a genuine faith or
not.
The group in Matthew 7:21 shows the Judge a list of works they performed ,
but he was not impressed, for faith was lacking. For in the same passage,
He says, they did not do His will, and Paul says "without faith it is
impossible to please Him, or to do his will". But those in Mathew 25, are
surprised when they are told the things they have done. You see the
difference, Dan? Like the Pharisee and the publican, you do not present
your works to God but your sinful heart and your willingness to change.
John puts it simply. He says "without me you can do nothing" Unless the
branch abides in the tree, it cannot produce the fruit. The fruit is the
unmistakable evidence of abiding... But the branch does not boast about the
fruit, it is the owner who brags, or shows off. Producing the fruit is not
mandatory, though sometimes we make it so, it is also not optional, as some
of us think, it is inevitable. Boasting about something that is inevitable
is not a sure sign of intelligence.
That's it Dan, it is your relationship not your works, but you know what I
mean......
Jongimpi
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@4gl.co.za>
To: sa-sda@onelist.com <sa-sda@onelist.com>
Cc: Thulani Kunene <thulani.kunene@sasol.com>; Nkanyiso
<nkanyiso@mweb.co.za>
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 3:30 PM
Subject: [sa-sda] Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
From: Daniel Dlongolo <daniel@4gl.co.za>
Brethren,
I came across the following interesting statement when I was
reading Pastor Morris Venden's book "95 Thesis On Righteousness By Faith"
"Our good works have nothing to do with CAUSING us to be saved, and our
bad works have nothing to do with CAUSING us to be lost."
I'm sorry that I cannot remember the page number, I can check it out.
What do you say about this statement? How do our works (good or bad)
relate to our salvation?
Keep Looking Up!
Daniel Bafana Dlongolo
4GL SYSTEMS
E-mail: daniel@4gl.co.za
Phone : +27 11 476 2224 (w)
Cell : +27 83 289 9975
South Africa
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:49:25 -0400
From: "Mashudu Ravhengani" <Ravhenmj@xxxxx.xxxx
Subject: Why was the serpent punished?
Here is the question that was asked in our SS lesson last week.
In the story of the fall of man, Satan came to the woman in the form of a serpent.
Why was the serpent (snake) punished whereas Satan was the one at fault?
I understand it used to be able to fly/walk and its wings/legs was taken away after it was used by Satan?
Could it be that the snake was the first creature on earth to sin?
Come let's reason together!
Jeremiah
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:37:11 +0200
From: "Vice-Rector for Academic Administration" <vradmit@xxx.xx.xxx
Subject: Re: Bad works have nothing to do with causing us to be lost!
In view of the discussion on good works, I thought this might be
appropriate!
> > A man dies and goes to heaven. Of course, St. Peter meets
him at
> > the Pearly Gates. St. Peter says, "Here's how it works. You
need 100
> > points to make it into heaven. You tell me all the good
things you've
> > done, and I give you a certain number of points for each
item,
> > depending on how good it was. When you reach 100 points, you
get in."
> >
> > "Okay," the man says. "I was married to the same woman for
50 years
> > and never cheated on her, even in my heart."
> >
> > "That's wonderful," says St. Peter, "that's worth three
points!"
> >
> > "Three points?" he says. "Well, I attended church all my
life and
> > supported its ministry with my tithe and service."
> >
> > "Terrific!" says St. Peter. "That's certainly worth a
point."
> >
> > "One point? I started a soup kitchen in my city and worked
in a
> > shelter for homeless veterans."
> >
> > "Fantastic, that's good for two more points," he says.
> >
> > "Two points!" the man cries. "At this rate the only way I
get into
> > heaven is by the grace of God."
> >
> > "Bingo, 100 points! Come on in!"
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